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#11 Re: Misstrauensdebatte

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Das ist doch genau das Problem:
Public still kept in the dark about rice deals

Die rote Propaganda gewinnt gerade die uebernaechste Wahl!

Was macht die Opposition? Sie macht eine Demo und beschriftet die Plakate nur auf Thai! :down: Die erzaehlen den Isaanern und der Welt was sie wollen. :idiot: :bloed:


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Kevin hat geschrieben:Ich glaube nicht, dass da irgendwas zu geht. 2005 hatte gezeigt, dass Dreistigkeit in solchen Fällen keine Grenzen kennt.
So ist es leider.Und diesmal noch viel mehr weil Thaksin weiss dass er unbesiegbar ist solange er Takkiland im Griff hat. Dort zählt BKK nix.
Bei uns war kurz nach der Rede Yinglucks das Internet ausgefallen, ich dachte schon gewollt, aber es war nur ein Problem mit dem TOT Server
in Si Racha und es kam eben erst zurück, deshalb hab ich erstmal Zeitung gelesen.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/3 ... an-critics
Ms Yingluck was criticised for relying heavily on scripted responses prepared by her aides to answer questions during the debate.

Deputy House Speaker Charoen Chankomol eventually decided that Ms Yingluck, as government leader, must answer for herself. If there were details that needed to be explained, she could ask ministers to provide them.

Ms Yingluck spent almost an hour responding to opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva, though the opposition criticised her for failing to adequately answer the questions. They said her responses sought only to promote the government.

Mr Abhisit said the government was making efforts to shield Ms Yingluck from political attack by preventing her from expressing her political views.

He said the rice pledging scheme is causing considerable damage to the country. It had led to a monopolisation of the industry, destroyed normal market mechanisms, and encouraged corruption, he added.

Even the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) had warned the prime minister that the scheme could lead to corruption, Mr Abhisit said.

If the project continues, he said it would cost the government 224 billion baht a year, or about 10% of the budget. This would push public debt past 60% of GDP, he said, which is unsustainable.

He questioned how the government would be able to make a profit from exporting pledged rice _ the rice is purchased at above-market rates, making it impossible for traders to compete on the global market. It cannot sell the rice at a loss, as that would breach World Trade Organisation regulations.
Es war bei Yingluck zu spüren dass sie verzweifelt nach Antworten suchte aber ausser dem von Suranand Vejjajiva vorgeschriebenen Text kamm nix.
Man brauchte keinen Lügendetektor um zu sehen dass da nix Wahres dran war.

Da Thaksins Nummerngirl heute Morgen nicht im Parlament war (die Familie Shinawatra meidet dieses Forum der Demokratie wohlweislich selbst bei ner Zweidrittelmehrheit)
spielte ein Abgeordneter der Demokraten Auszüge aus Thaksins Phone Ins als Beweise ein.

Da der Laden eh ziemlich leer war und die Anwesenden Schläfer keine Werbung für den Parlamentarismus machten
während die Schriftführerinnen vor laufender Kamera privat telefonierten oder simsten kann sich Thaksin in Dubai
genüsslich weiterhin dem Ausnehmen der Thailändische Staatskassen widmen.

Seine Marionetten sind sicher,egal was dort passiert.
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#13 Re: Misstrauensdebatte

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mich würde interessieren, welche Behörde unter der Klon-Regierung das war, die
die Zollbeamten bestechen wollte.

http://www.wochenblitz.com/nachrichten/ ... amten.html


Chuwit schlägt wieder mal zu, gut so - auch wenn es vermutlich nicht viel bringt. Hängen bleibt immer irgendwas.

http://www.wochenblitz.com/nachrichten/ ... ittel.html

Chuwit als nächsten PM und Dr. Pornthip als Vize - wäre ein Super-Gespann. :joint:
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http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politic ... 95115.html
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/new/201 ... 01_big.jpg
So schön sich Thaksins Nummerngirl auch immer herrichten lässt, wenn es ernst wird, ist sie nicht da.
Opposition Democrat MP Sathit Pitudeja accused Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra on Tuesday of abusing the emergency budget to benefit her associates.
The Cabinet had approved Bt43 million in January and Bt67 million in July to compensate and bail out redshirt protesters, he said during the last day of the censure debate.

He also played a video showing former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra calling for rapid relief for the red shirts, especially those still held in custody since the uprising against the government of Abhisit Vejjajiva in 2010.

Rather than allocate a budget through normal channels to the Justice Ministry's Justice Fund, the Cabinet used the money reserved for emergencies to bail them out, Sathit said.

The policy to compensate and help the red shirts, rather than facilitate reconciliation as intended, would further deepen the divide in society, he said.
Der Mann hat natürlich vollkommen Recht, aber das sind alles "Peanuts" verglichen mit dem was Thaksins Marionetten sonst noch in ihre Kanäle geleitet haben.
Beweisen kann man es noch (?) nicht weil Thaksin in weiser Voraussicht auch alle Kontrollinstanzen weitgehend mit seine Leuten besetzt hat.
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Always pointing out that Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra had rarely answered MPs' questions in Parliament, the opposition on the third and final day of the censure debate yesterday tried to pressure the premier to answer its questions by herself.

Towards the opposition's objection for her having left it to ministers to clarify allegations, Yingluck promised she would finally clarify the issues by herself.

"About the policies, I am ready to clarify, I will definitely clarify. But may the people involved - [those ] we assigned [for policy implementation] in the process and there are sub-committees - be in charge [of replying]?

"There were issues debated yesterday and involved people who were damaged. Please let them clarify as they were accused on many issues, such as lowering agricultural production or implementing [their sales] in a way that caused corruption. MPs, please let the working people clarify [their problems] so you can consider [any] problems [arising] from my policies. Then finally I will come to clarify them," she said.

Abhisit said the chairman of the meeting could decide who was damaged in the scrutiny process and deserved a chance to speak. Meanwhile, it should be only Yingluck who should answer the questions because the Opposition were asking about policies, not the details of implementation.

"For questions on policies, I'd like to tell the prime minister that there's no need for any minister to clarify what we don't ask," he said.

"On rice-related issues, what I doubt is the design of the policy. The prime minister herself said she was in charge. Yesterday she listened to my debate and got up to answer. I wonder if she had carefully considered what I said? For instance, she said this policy gave money to farmers. She said, 'give it to them, please'.

"We said we didn't oppose this policy if it gave money to farmers. But the figures from the government showed that each year Bt240 billion [would be raised from rice exports]. [But] the government's figures showed that out of this Bt240 billion, only about Bt1 billion reached farmers. Does the premier, as head of the government, think why we should allow other people to get the Bt1 billion? The finance minister couldn't answer this, the commerce minister couldn't answer it, the agriculture minister couldn't answer this - because it's for the PM to decide why this policy should carry on," Abhisit said.

"About rubber, I asked why the Cabinet had approved Bt15 billion for the project but rubber prices had not risen and the prime minister had still approved more budget for the implementation with the same methods.

"I don't mind if it's agreed that answering is according to responsibility. If it's the PM's part, the PM answers. If it's a minister who's involved, the minister answers. But please don't waste Parliament's time by letting a minister answer what was not asked," Abhisit said.

Yingluck stood up and replied: "To clarify the policies, we emphasise that all spending of the budget must reach farmers directly. For income, we have government agencies in charge of income. The policies are clear," she said, adding that she might give some not-too-accurate information on some issues and asked for the chance to involve others to explain the facts.

Yingluck said she had also set up a committee to prevent corruption, and asked the Opposition to share information if it found any irregularities.

Yingluck took up the microphone again in the evening following Democrat female MPs' criticism about her leadership.

However, she said only briefly that achievements would be the prove of her leadership and it took time and for the people to judge.

She continued with introduction that she would let her ministers clarify the censure further.
Fazit der Misstrauensdebatte:

Abhisit und die Demokraten haben sachlich haushoch gewonnen weil weder Thaksins Nummerngirl noch eine der anderen Marionetten
auf Sachfragen eine Antwort gegeben haben.

Aber, und das ist die Tragik für Abhisit und die Demokraten:

Bei den Büffeln hat Yingluck haushoch gewonnen , weil sie immer gut aussah, eine tränenreiche Thai Soap Opera abzog, und die
Büffel die Sachfragen weder kapieren noch interessieren sondern hoffen dass bei der ganzen Korruption am Ende
auch ein wenig für sie abfällt.
So sieht es leider aus im Land wo Schein mehr bedeutet als Sein.
Und genau wie ihr grosser Bruder hat Yingluck absolut keine Moral,Skrupel;Anstand oder sonstige Eigenschaften
welche dem Geldverdienen und Machterhalt hinderlich sein könnten.
Und die Religion dient nur der Selbstdarstellung, genau wie bei vielen "Erfolgstypen" in diesem Lande.
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#16 Re: Misstrauensdebatte

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http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/3 ... peaker-duo
The de facto leader of Pheu Thai Party expressed his disappointment via Skype at a Pheu Thai Party meeting Wednesday, despite the fact that Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and three cabinet ministers comfortably survived the no-confidence vote.

According to party sources, Thaksin said that Pheu Thai representatives who participated in the debate were too weak _ particularly when Democrat Jurin Laksanavisit wrapped up the opposition's allegations on Tuesday night.

"The chairs of the meeting [House speaker and deputy] were a bit too weak sometimes," Thaksin was quoted as saying.
Der grosse Impressario inszeniert und organisiert nicht nur seine Opern, sondern er liefert anschliessend auch gleich noch die Kritik.
Er war mit seinen Marionetten nicht zufrieden obwohl sein Nummerngirl bei der Abstimmung fast die Zweidrittelmehrheit erreicht hat.
Dank der zurückgekauften Bhum Jai Thai.

Aber seine Kritik an den Parlamentssprechern war ungerecht weil die beiden das gespielt haben was auf dem Spielplan stand,
nämlich Parlamentarische Demokratie.
Und dazu gehört nun mal auch dass man die Opposition mal zu Wort kommen lässt.
Gebracht hats ihr ja sowieso nix.
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http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politic ... 95241.html
n-depth interviews of those who oppose and support the government revealed that although the majority believed the opposition had delivered a well-done job in the debate and had convinced them that corruption exists in this government, interviewees still accepted that corruption was acceptable as long it was done in moderation.

Most said they would vote for the current government because it had many policies that support the poor. Those supporting the opposition suggested that it should come up with populist policies that could compete with those of the government.

Ex-senator tweets his views

Meanwhile, former senator and ex-media professional Somkiat On-wimil tweeted that overall, MPs had delivered a poor performance during the censure debate.

He said their statements were not concise, had failed to make the point, were rude and cynical, had no essence and were unfriendly.

However, there were some MPs who in his view had given a satisfactory performance, such as Opposition Leader Abhisit Vejjajiva, whose speech he said was polite, relevant, straight to the point, had essence and academic value and contained no hostility.

Democrat Jurin Laksanawisit's closing speech was almost as good, because he touched on new points, said Somkiat.

The fact that government MPs jumped at every chance to exercise their right to defend allegations against them showed that they were extremely worried about the information exposed by the opposition, he added.

Somkiat's additional messages in his tweet said Pheu Thai party-list MP Sunai Chulapongsathorn had been too aggressive and bullying during the debate. He said Sunai had also engaged in a fruitless attempt to stop Democrat Warong Detkitwikrom, whom he said had presented excellent information that could bring changes to the rice-pledging scheme.

Democrat Pussadi Thamthai, meanwhile, delivered a clear, sincere and polite speech that reflects how society feels about the PM, and which would likely make Yingluck improve herself, he said.

The PM looked more confident and polite, he said, but showed a lack of knowledge about administrative affairs as she could not answer questions in depth. She needs to work harder, he added.

"Chalerm Yoobamrung, Surapong Towichukchaikul and Natthawut Saikua still have a long way to go to reach their potential. Chalerm may have an uphill task to catapult himself to the level of high-quality MP because he has been in the political arena for ages, but we have not seen quality or change in him. Pheu Thai's Surin MP Prasith Chaisrisa has brought shame to his party, and Surin people will not vote for him again. The debate should stir intellect or wisdom, not emotion. I would ask Surin people if they are happy with such a low-quality MP," said Somkiat.
Das ist ja Alles sehr schön , aber.....
I would ask Surin people if they are happy with such a low-quality MP," said Somkiat.
Ich weiss nicht ob die Wähler von Surin den nochmal wählen würden.
Aber in den den Thaksin Stammgebieten wird jeder gewählt den der grosse Führer dorthin schickt.
Und am Schlimmsten ist das:
the majority believed the opposition had delivered a well-done job in the debate and had convinced them that corruption exists in this government, interviewees still accepted that corruption was acceptable as long it was done in moderation.
Das heisst solange uns Thaksin nicht zuviel klaut sind wir zufrieden.
Armes Reiches Thailand!
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